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Quietus
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« on: January 14, 2010, 06:30:29 AM »

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PA ponders medical marijuana

New Jersey is poised to become the next state to allow marijuana use for medical purposes. It took advocates years to push the bill through the General Assembly — and the result is a compromise that would create the most restrictive medical marijuana law yet. Meanwhile, Pennsylvania lawmakers just kicked off their debate last month. For the Health and Science Desk, Taunya English reports on worries from opponents and one patient's story.

Walter: I have this little spiky cylinder thing, here, called an herb grinder. You put it in, and then just twist it a couple times, nice and fine and scoop it into the pipe.

Bradley Walter starts his day by breaking the law.

Walter: Once you get a little bit in there, I take my lighter and hold it in. And then I blow it into my air freshener. Then I get up and I do what I gotta do.


Bradley Walter

Walter is HIV positive. Antiretroviral medications keep the AIDS virus in check, and except for the underlying HIV infection, Walter says he's healthy.
Walter: There are side effects to the medications, and that's the real problem. Diarrhea, constipation in the same day, in the same hour sometimes.

The prescription drugs that keep Walter alive keep him feeling sick. He uses smoked and vaporized marijuana to settle his stomach and says those notorious marijuana munchies combat weight loss from HIV. But most of all, weed relieves his pain.

Walter: I wouldn't even be able to get out of bed if I didn't know that this was waiting, because as soon as I wake up the pain starts, and it's, it's pretty intense.

Cumberland County District Attorney David Freed says he has compassion for patients like Bradley Walter, but he's not convinced that the push for medical marijuana is really about patients.

Freed: I'm very concerned that representatives of legalization groups, specifically NORML, the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, are somewhat using these patients as an initial front in a larger legalization war.

Legalization advocates argue that marijuana is less dangerous than other mood altering drugs, such as oxycontin and morphine, which are available with a prescription. Nonetheless, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration classifies cannabis as a drug with a high potential for abuse.

District Attorney Freed says the Pennsylvania proposal may not prevent recreational users from posing as patients. He and other law enforcement professionals say relaxed marijuana laws will lead to more drug-related crime.

Freed: In the county that I prosecute cases in, we've had recently a murder directly related to marijuana dealing. We see the forgeries and the thefts and the burglaries that are a direct result of addiction. And we also see – and I know this is a matter of some of debate — but we also see the real gateway nature of marijuana.

Federal regulators say there isn't enough science to back smoked marijuana as a medicine. The FDA has approved a medicine made from a synthetic form of a chemical in cannabis. This drug, called Marinol, comes in pill form, with none of the carcinogens that come with smoking.

Bradley Walter says the prescription pills help with nausea, but do little to relieve his pain. Besides he says Marinol can cost more than $1,000 a month; Walter spends about $500 on marijuana each month.

Walter: I would smoke more if it weren't for the cost, and that would be alleviated by growing it in my basement because the cost would be nothing, dirt.

The Pennsylvania legislation would allow patients to grow six cannabis plants at home or buy the drug from a marijuana dispensary.
For now, Walter buys his weed from someone he found online. He risks arrest each time he meets up with his dealer, but says it's a better option that trying to buy weed on the streets of his hometown, Larksville in northeast Pennsylvania.

Walter: It's not that easy for a guy like me to drive up in a new Prius and just ask somebody on the corner.

The drug-abuse prevention group MomsTell is fighting the bill. Camp Hill resident Sharon Smith leads the group and says the marijuana dispensaries would be run by people with no medical license, and no requirement to regulate the safety or potency of the drug. She's baffled that state lawmakers have decided they can determine what is medicine and what's isn't.

Smith: We have the FDA to do that and this should go before the FDA.

Even advocates call Pennsylvania's medical marijuana bill — long-shot legislation. Still, a recent Quinnipiac University poll suggests strong support among Commonwealth residents. Fifty-nine percent of surveyed Pennsylvanians said allowing adults to use marijuana as medicine, with a doctor's prescription, is a “good idea.”


http://whyy.org/cms/news/health-science/2010/01/14/pa-ponders-medical-marijuana/27786

There is an audio podcast of this article if you follow the link.
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Pallidus127
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2010, 12:23:24 PM »

Is Sharon Smith's e-mail floating around?  Touting the FDA like they're the end-all of safety.  I'd like to send her a giant list of FDA approved drugs and their subsequent recalls because of horrible side affects. 

I'm also glad to see that the opposition is getting educated and using new arguments  huh.  It's not like gateway theory has been disproven, and the reason drug offenses happen is BECAUSE they're illegal.  I'm surprised there was no comment in there about how this decades new SUPERPOT is killing babies.

However, kudos to brad for telling it how it is!
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 02:33:15 PM »

I was just going to post this a big fat thank you goes out to brad your a brave one  Smoke

Medical Marijuana
Support for legalizing medical marijuana is 67 - 26 percent among Democrats and 61 - 33 percent among independent voters, while Republicans split with 49 percent in favor and 47 percent opposed. Medical marijuana wins support from all age groups, ranging from 62 - 35 percent among voters 18 to 34 years old to 56 - 38 percent among voters over 55.

31. There is a proposal in the state legislature that would allow adults to legally use marijuana for medical purposes if their doctor prescribes it. Do you think this is a good idea or a bad idea?

 
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Good idea        59%  49%   67%    61%    61%    57%    62%
Bad idea           35     47     26     33     34     36     32
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Good idea           66%   60%    72%    65%    47%    53%    51%
Bad idea             23     31     21     31     45     43     45
DK/NA                11      9      6      4      7      4      4

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Good idea           62%   61%    56%    57%    61%    65%    59%    61%
Bad idea             35     33     38     36     35     32     35     34
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Quietus
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 07:46:17 PM »

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District Attorney Freed says the Pennsylvania proposal may not prevent recreational users from posing as patients. He and other law enforcement professionals say relaxed marijuana laws will lead to more drug-related crime.

There's the argument I don't quite understand.  How does removing some of the financial incentive to dealing in marijuana result in an increase in drug-related crime?

Has anyone heard this argument before, what the reasoning is?
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 08:32:17 PM »

This was a good article, I'm glad to see that they're still paying attention to the subject in PA's media.

Quietus, the only reasoning I can come up with is that since the laws will get more relaxed, demand will go up. Therefore the price will rise, and this somehow makes it more likely that drug dealer A will rip off drug dealer B, and hence leads to more violence.

That's my best guess.
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Quietus
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2010, 09:00:50 PM »

This was a good article, I'm glad to see that they're still paying attention to the subject in PA's media.

Quietus, the only reasoning I can come up with is that since the laws will get more relaxed, demand will go up. Therefore the price will rise, and this somehow makes it more likely that drug dealer A will rip off drug dealer B, and hence leads to more violence.

That's my best guess.

I wonder what the prices are like in your average clinic out in California, considering LA county is trying to pare the number down from 800 of them.  One would think with that much competition the prices would be incredibly cheap if they're all growing their own.  If not, there must be an artificial restriction on the price.

I know there have been incidents were clinics were shot up and robbed, but it's not like liquor stores don't get robbed in PA.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 05:40:14 PM »

This was a good article, I'm glad to see that they're still paying attention to the subject in PA's media.

Quietus, the only reasoning I can come up with is that since the laws will get more relaxed, demand will go up. Therefore the price will rise, and this somehow makes it more likely that drug dealer A will rip off drug dealer B, and hence leads to more violence.

That's my best guess.

True, but wouldn't a more relaxed law make it easier on the dealers as well especially if they grow their own? And that would be short lived since after a period of time dealers wouldn't be able to make any money and the crime rate would drop off. Isn't it worth having as slightly higher crime rate which would be mostly dealer and gang wars for 1 or 2 years untill there $$$ dries up and they fade away?
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 08:59:28 PM »

This was a good article, I'm glad to see that they're still paying attention to the subject in PA's media.

Quietus, the only reasoning I can come up with is that since the laws will get more relaxed, demand will go up. Therefore the price will rise, and this somehow makes it more likely that drug dealer A will rip off drug dealer B, and hence leads to more violence.

That's my best guess.



I think they just want to protect their jobs. Nothing more, nothing less. Here is an interesting read from CATO Institute in regards to Alcohol Prohibition:

Prohibition Was Criminal

"Not only did the number of serious crimes increase, but crime became organized. Criminal groups organize around the steady source of income provided by laws against victimless crimes such as consuming alcohol or drugs, gambling, and prostitution. In the process of providing goods and services, those criminal organizations resort to real crimes in defense of sales territories, brand names, and labor contracts. That is true of extensive crime syndicates (the Mafia) as well as street gangs, a criminal element that first surfaced during Prohibition.[49]

The most telling sign of the relationship between serious crime and Prohibition was the dramatic reversal in the rates for robbery, burglary, murder, and assault when Prohibition was repealed in 1933. That dramatic reversal has Marxist and business-cycle crime theorists puzzled to this day. For example, sociologist John Pandiani noted that "a major wave of crime appears to have begun as early as the mid 1920s [and] increased continually until 1933 . . . when it mysteriously reversed itself."[50] Theodore Ferdinand also found a "mysterious" decline that began in 1933 and lasted throughout the 1930s.[51] How could they miss the significance of the fact that the crime rate dropped in 1933?"


also,

Prohibition Caused Corruption

"It was hoped that Prohibition would eliminate corrupting influences in society; instead, Prohibition itself be- came a major source of corruption. Everyone from major politicians to the cop on the beat took bribes from bootleggers, moonshiners, crime bosses, and owners of speakeasies. The Bureau of Prohibition was particularly susceptible and had to be reorganized to reduce corruption. According to Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Lincoln C. Andrews, "conspiracies are nation wide in extent, in great numbers, organized, well-financed, and cleverly conducted."[52] De- spite additional resources and reorganization, corruption continued within the bureau. Commissioner of Prohibition Henry Anderson concluded that "the fruitless efforts at enforcement are creating public disregard not only for this law but for all laws. Public corruption through the purchase of official protection for this illegal traffic is widespread and notorious. The courts are cluttered with prohibition cases to an extent which seriously affects the entire administration of justice."[53]

Prohibition not only created the Bureau of Prohibition, it gave rise to a dramatic increase in the size and power of other government agencies as well. Between 1920 and 1930 employment at the Customs Service increased 45 percent, and the service's annual budget increased 123 percent. Personnel of the Coast Guard increased 188 percent during the 1920s, and its budget increased more than 500 percent between 1915 and 1932. Those increases were primarily due to the Coast Guard's and the Customs Service's role in enforcing Prohibition.[54]"


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1017&full=1
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 02:05:40 PM »

The NYTimes just launched an interesting feature with a profile of a guy with Tourette's who uses marijuana to help calm his tics:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/11/health/healthguide/TE_tourettes.html?ref=health
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 11:33:04 AM »

Thats a good artical.
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